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Post by 1BadTJ on Jun 16, 2005 18:26:02 GMT -3
"Would a 35/30 combo with locker in the 30 hold up to 36's?" IMHO If you have to ask that question you shouldnt be planing fullwidths with an SOA and 4 inch lift springs sorry dont mean to sound harsh i think what dsgray is trying to say is......... lots of people have run big tires on the D35 and snapped axles. there are some diehard people that have run 35's or larger on D35's w/o any problems. its up to you.
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Post by bluerocket on Jun 16, 2005 19:10:57 GMT -3
I think that the humor flag needs to be played here.... Dan obviously was just messin.
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Post by jeepgod on Jun 16, 2005 19:13:47 GMT -3
in order to run full width axles and have then centered in the frame rail you will need to out-board the springs.
You will need to do something to prevent axle wrap. boomerang shackles will do nothing to control axle wrap. spring over axle with 3.5" springs would be RETARDED!!! it will be too high and you will have so many issues to deal with. i.e. death wobble, you will need to run cross-over steering, the driveshaft angles will be hard to get correct. in order to run this much lift you will need to think about stretching the wheel base in order to address the angles or get double cardon driveshafts at both ends which will be a weak point. driveshafts are the least of your worries
you're not measuring correctly if you think that those axles will only stick out an additional 1" on each side, try about 6" on each side. to address this alot of guys run hummer rims (7" backspacing)
master cylinder would need upgrading
when doing a soa you will gain atleast 6" and that is usually the minium. 1" spring hangers"4" to 5" tubes" plus the total spring pack thickness 1" and yes, soa with 6" to7" of lift will clear 36" tires with no rub (and if you rub just trim the body)
honestly, if you want to do this swap quickly take it somewhere and pay them to do it. why don't you sell that truck and buy the 9" rear that kwest is selling? the other thing i would do is get rid of your all terrians! those tires are great in the snow and rian but not off-road! i watched you slip and slid the other day on stufff that you wouldn't have had trouble with had youa better tire. remeber it is not the tire size it usually is the tire tread and more importantly the driver!
and just so you know i am telling you this information first hand! i have been there and done what you want to do! it is ALOT of work! i can not stree enough on how much work this will be!
and lay off dsgray he is a good guy (unlike you ;D)
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Post by bluerocket on Jun 16, 2005 19:22:03 GMT -3
Dan just had a long night swapping someon else Tcase out last night
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Post by J.T.Woody on Jun 17, 2005 9:20:51 GMT -3
Mike, you need to put the measurements up here so everyone can see what you're talking about.
Most fullsize axles are really, really wide. He says the ones he has are only about 1" wider on each side than the Dana44's he is comparing them to. I think the D44s were out of a Scout as they have 5-lug bolt pattern.
Maybe Ford did some strange things with their older F-250 trucks (thats what the axles are out of). A stock Jeep axle is about 58", correct?
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Post by dsgray16 on Jun 17, 2005 9:29:04 GMT -3
ds gray, I havent broken an axle yet and I see guys on 35's with 30/35 combo all over this site...Obviosly, I am trying to determine what kind of axle I will be needing. if your intent is to be a non contributing , keep your comments to yourself or reply to someone elses questions. first of all, what did this post say before it was edited? second, who is running 35's on a D35 in here? and lastly, dont come onto a jeep forum asking for advice when you are obviously relativly new to the hobby and then get all bent out of shape when someone tells you like it is but seriously, i dont know you, and i hate starting internet arguments
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Post by J.T.Woody on Jun 17, 2005 10:04:40 GMT -3
If you guys are going to argue, take it to PMs, please.
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Post by alwaysstuck on Jun 17, 2005 10:33:42 GMT -3
Thanks for the advice Todd. I agree those tires are terrible, but I cant fit the 37"parnelli jones on it, or the 39x18 swampers that I already have to on it without a spring over. I really dont want to spend the 700 on 33 or 34" tires that are not what I want. Also, I have the Chevy tcase that with the jb conversions shaves 9" off the t case tailhouse length. If I added 11" length to my current driveshaft and only 4" (6"soa-2" suspension drop) do you think I would have problems with shudder and angles with a single cardon joint (I have a shaft from the ford for the divorced tcase that could be modified to fit.)
DS Gray, by the end of the season I will either have a big jeep or probabally none at all. The reason why I started the thread asking questions is that the jeep i would like to model mine after is having a lot of problems with the rear dana 44 in it and I am either going to build my jeep with axles that can handle the tires I want run or buy a jeep with this already done. I dont have "jeep" experience, but I have fabrication and automotive experience and would completly disagree with your comments as to my abilities to complete a project. In my response, I called you a name that was edited out- nothing big or personal, I just disagree with your tact- I want advice and information, not commentary. (Sorry for calling you a name.)
I think Jason is right, before I continue this discussion, I will take exact measurements of the axle widths and pumpkin location...Todd and John prob have as much experience with fab on jeeps out of everyone I've spoken with on this issue and if they both indicate outboarding the springs is required, I think the project is off and the Jeep is going on ebay. If you want you can do anything, but some things arent worth doing.
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Post by alwaysstuck on Jun 17, 2005 10:38:16 GMT -3
Todd, I've heard from a lot of people that the 9" rear ends dont oil well when angled for 8" of lift or so-they have to be run fairly horozontal... Isn't that why most 9" cut for the jeeps are spring under??
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Post by jps4jeep on Jun 17, 2005 10:57:44 GMT -3
Yes, you would need a High Pinion third member for that 9" for that much lift, as for blowing up a D44 with 35" tires, a couple questions would need answering to explain why it happened, but I have seen D35 run 35" tires (this particular jeep also had a 350) but this was temporary and it eventually got a 9" put in, this is also a street jeep with 4" lift springs and 35" tires, no need to flex.
In the long run, it is your jeep, do what you want! I would agree with todd, perhaps some new tires, a 1" body lift ad some tj flares, fit 35's on there with a 8.8 or d44 would be the way to improve the off roadability of the jeep, and not hinder the streetablility too much.
Good luck
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Post by 1BadTJ on Jun 17, 2005 11:26:43 GMT -3
second, who is running 35's on a D35 in here? I dont know anyone in here running 35's ans the D35. But if you bring up the subject on Jeepforum.com yuo will get lots of d35 lovers and haters. more of the latter
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Post by alwaysstuck on Jun 17, 2005 11:38:38 GMT -3
Matt, what are your diffs? 30 and 44?
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Post by J.T.Woody on Jun 17, 2005 11:39:32 GMT -3
second, who is running 35's on a D35 in here? I dont know anyone in here running 35's and the D35. But if you bring up the subject on Jeepforum.com you will get lots of d35 lovers and haters. more of the latter I do. BlackWhyJay (Chris) runs 35's on his 4cyl. with Dana35/30 combo. AFAIK, he is in the process of swapping in dual 44s. There are quite a few on Jeepforum who run 35's on the Dana35. Like it was said in another thread...its all about technique. Mike, did you mention the fact that the broken Dana44 was at the end of a Chevy 350? ;D That thing was messed UP.
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Post by alwaysstuck on Jun 17, 2005 11:50:56 GMT -3
It's only a matter of time before my jeep grows another two cyl's or has the 4.3 built for a little more hp.
I guess I was wrong, maybe nobody does run 35's on d35's... I dont know much about the smaller axles...
Thats why I ask-- everyone told me when I put the locker in the d30 it would blow up, so far-so good. Thats why i kept the street tires on the jeep.
I know you guys like 8.8's, but I've blown up 3 of those in street/strip Mustangs... maybe the explorer 8.8's have better shafts than the Mustang ones??
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Post by SPYDER on Jun 17, 2005 13:05:50 GMT -3
I do. BlackWhyJay (Chris) runs 35's on his 4cyl. with Dana35/30 combo. AFAIK, he is in the process of swapping in dual 44s. true, but when was the last time you saw him drive that jeep....he never does. and most of the people on jeepforum who are running 35's on a d35 have the super35, so its equal in strength to a 44. but to the point, if you are going to go thru the trouble of fullwidths and not want to out board the springs, why not do a coil or coilover conversion and have a really sick set up.
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