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Post by 2000Cherokee on Sept 30, 2006 1:56:42 GMT -3
im trying to decide what i want to use for the rear of my cherokee build. if i go leaves i would have to fab up a traction bar of some sort to help with axle hop and s***. and if i go coils i will have to fab up a 4 link setup. both will involve a decent amount of fabricating and stuff. blue torch fab has a neat set of brakets i could use and they are cheap www.bluetorchfab.com/oscomm/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=91&products_id=524 they use 2.5ID coilover springs. so i could swap out spring to get different spring rates depending on the trails i will be running. if i use that in the rear i will probably use it in the front as well. just for the simple fact of that i will have to fab up a long arm suspension anyways because im not going to swap in axles and use a short arm suspension. What do you guys think? coils or leafs?
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Post by jerryhipp on Sept 30, 2006 4:14:39 GMT -3
if had the choice. i'd choose coils. more flex and better ride. just my 2 cents
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Post by axle on Sept 30, 2006 7:49:32 GMT -3
I would agree with jerry. But leafs might be easyer. Bob
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Post by 2000Cherokee on Sept 30, 2006 10:07:10 GMT -3
i think leafs may be a little easier but i think the added benfits of coils would make it worth it. i have more research to do before i make anything final
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Post by bchcky on Sept 30, 2006 15:20:32 GMT -3
plus with coils, you can put spring compressors on them and then throw them and see how far the compressors shoot off, and hope you don't get hit.
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Post by jps4jeep on Sept 30, 2006 19:09:35 GMT -3
Depends, how much money you want to spend and how much fabbing you want to do.
You could, swap all the factory brackets (or buy some) and essentially use the lift you have now, probably the most cost effective, if you are into flex, it will offer basically what you have now (except with a full wideth you would actually score higher on a RTI if that is you goal)
From what I have read, if you are swaping to leafs or a 4 link with long arms, you will need to fab some type of frame connectors to offer a sturdy and suitable location to you links or the rear spring perch. a 4 link propperly set up will offer the best ride, and most flex, but will cost you mucho dinero hombre.. leafs are easy, durable, offer a lot of options, cheap to buy (compared to lets say coil overs) flex ok, but are durable as all hell. Yes you can break a spring, but I have seen more LCA mounts ripped off than I have seen leaf springs break. on the other side, I have seen more leaf spring bend, but almost always get you off the trail and get you home.
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Post by 2000Cherokee on Sept 30, 2006 19:53:20 GMT -3
i still have to check on some stuff to see about how much $$$ whis will be. the spring setup from blue torch fab is around $80 per axle and coils to go with that are in the ball park of anywhere from 50-80 bux a peice.
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Post by caseyl on Sept 30, 2006 21:30:49 GMT -3
I would go leafs because it would be cheaper. You could always buy a ZJ in a year or two and then do a long arm setup.
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Post by 2000Cherokee on Sept 30, 2006 22:51:59 GMT -3
well i have been crunching some numbers and talking to some people over on the pirate 4x4 forum and according to them it is ussually about 500 bux for materials to link the rear of a vehicle. might be a little less if i can find some good deals. so for about 1000 i can have a linked front and rear setup. since i will be swapping front ends and i would need to fab up something anyways i figured i would go four link up front as well. or possibly a 3 link.
As far as getting a ZJ i would but i cant see the point in doing that. my jeep will no longer be my DD in the spring my uncle is giving me his old car. it needs a little work but it will be sutable to get me where i need to go and i can build the jeep the way i want to and be done with it.
plus ill get some money back to put into the project if i sell off my current suspension setup and my stock axles. i can use that money to fund this project
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Post by kaiser on Sept 30, 2006 23:05:12 GMT -3
coil rear leaf front is where its at
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Post by dsgray16 on Oct 1, 2006 11:52:55 GMT -3
You seem to be jumping into this pretty fast..
You only seem to be considering the cost of a 4 link setup
Do you know enough about the geometry fo a 4-link (ie squat and anti squat)
Are you welding this up your self? Its a lot of very important welds
IF your going to 4-link it you should be 4-linking a rear end that is actualy worth 4-linking. Dont do it on an axle your going to want to upgrade next month
Are you going to gear that axle correctly and put a locker in it? cuz you prob should
Not trying to be negative
Just saying that theres a lot to think about when taking a big leap like this
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Post by ayoung on Oct 1, 2006 13:41:29 GMT -3
i agree with dan, this kinda seems like a huge jump in terms of modfications...why not wheel the thing a lot more on the harder trails the club has access to and see what you need...in my opinion you are way better off doing gears and lockers than spending so much money on four linking the rear, dont get me wrong it would be cool, but i wouldnt want to see you burn yourself out in wheeling so quickly when this project goes wrong and you have no vehicle to wheel and your throwing thousands of dollars at it
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Post by jps4jeep on Oct 1, 2006 16:48:33 GMT -3
Do you know enough about the geometry fo a 4-link (ie squat and anti squat) Somebody watched xtreme 4x4 yesturday. jk another thing to consider in the price of 4 linking that a lot of times people over look, tool. Lots of times people assume you ave all the tools, assuming you tap you links for threaded Heim Joints, you will need both right and left hand taps, not that cheap, your looking at spending at least another $50 just for those taps. or if you weld in tube inserts, you really should have those heliarc welded, or at least mig welded with a 240 + welder for proper penetration. I think $500 is a very conservitave price. I would guess you would spend more like $700-800. DOM is not cheap, heims are not cheap, and the tools are not cheap, building subframe connectors is not exactly expensive, but can be tough, and if you are 4-linking, not running a coil over shock seams a little pointless to put all the work in and run a coil and a shock. IMHO, leave it alone. wheel the living s*** out of it, as it is. You have done a great job building the XJ as it is. just beat the piss out of it. I would save the full wideths for something with a frame.
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Post by PatriotYJ on Oct 1, 2006 18:19:49 GMT -3
dont do either, go with air bags! no just kidding acvtually you should look into some coilovers, a little extra cutting in the body and some good strong mounting points and your all set
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Post by 2000Cherokee on Oct 1, 2006 19:12:13 GMT -3
im still in the planning phase. alot of the stuff that was mentioned in this thread i had running thru my head all day at work. did some reading last night and this morning. and im not sure on what i want to do.. either way i will be buying new suspesnsion parts. the 3" lift wont fit much over 34s and my 34s are damn tight in there. ill prob end up going with just leaves in the back but i want to consider all options just to make sure thats what i want to do.
as far as not going full width. im still going to go full width no matter which direction i take. the add comfort of having stronger axles in teh front and rear will just give me a peice of mind when i am out wheeling.. and ill have more options for lockers, gears and other stuff like that if i swap in the D44 and the 9". i cant see spending money on the D30 and 8.25 when the deepest gears i can go with are 4.56. those axles are alright but now when i go with tires over 35s which i will be doing in the spring.
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